THIRD INTERSTITIAL SALON!

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WEllertson		#61	[-]
Posts: 18 (05/19/08 06:11:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Elise - ditto, the necklace is gorgeous...3 clasp approach, fascinating...and I, too, see the dragon head (but then I tend to see faces and heads everywhere...). I appreciate your comment re not necessarily patting ourselves on the back, just because we are breaking the rules. Brought to mind my son-in-law who is a cartoonist on the side. He's been taking a class and doing lots of practicing to be able to draw realistically and in perfect proportion... so he can be even more effective when he wants to break rules of human proportion. Seems to me that's true in other arts as well, like beading..where you have to understand the rules of peyote stitch for example before you can begin to play. ...which brings up the issue of spending time, taking time which is what apprenticeship used to be all about, instead of thinking something can be achieve in a moment's effort. ... and perhaps an area where "craft" and "art" sometime diverge? Pretty huge topic.... Also - what does it mean to "let go of control"...now there is something else to ponder... All this also relates to my pondering re the utility of categories/genre descriptions etc...world I've been challenging them in is the fine craft world....Shows need to have some "balance" and so have participants enter in specific categories...but there can be so much overlap that they seem pretty irrelevant. And yet...how does one sort and organize without categories.? Perhaps that's a discussion to have when we get the virtual art show up on the IAF site I'm hoping to launch this summer. I can guarantee there will be lots of discussion as to whether what I put up is "interstitial" or not....and who determines that....is the only importance if it's in the artists' mind? ...we'll see. Tempest.....you've brought up another fascinating discussion...bling vs. jewelry....feminine vs. gay vs. .....differences in cultures within our communities...and beyond...ok we definitely need to get some more in person salons going to have all these discussions continue...... Jon - I'll get your email...and write re Toshiko Takeazu....
WEllertson	sorry for double posting	#62	[-]
Posts: 18 (05/19/08 06:35:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hi guys - my apologies...my computer has been living in its own in between world this morn...seems to have posted my last comment twice...W
krismcd59		#63	[-]
Posts: 41 (05/19/08 07:24:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tempest, I agree that jewelry is so wrapped up in gender identity issues -- and historically, speaking, there WAS no line between bling (if bling means a representation -- usually ironic -- of wealth/status/power) and jewelry until really recently -- the whole point of jewelry throughout history has been to display your wealth/status, literally carry it on your body. It seems to me that only when money became symbolic rather than tied directly to amounts of gold and/or jewels (which in turn substituted for or represented land) has jewelry become purely ornamental, but when "purely ornamental" got associated with "female" I'm not as sure about. The Industrial Revolution, maybe? And I take your point that jewelry is more than just the precious objects -- there is an element of art involved that adds value but also adds a statement about the wearer. It makes me think of the King Midas legend -- that gold is worthless in and of itself, that literally carrying one's weight in gold around would be a nightmare. Dickens returns to this idea a lot -- several characters extol the importance of "portable property" in his novels, but the ghost of Jacob Marley suffers agony from wearing the chains he fashioned in life -- representing the soulless money he accumulated. As to why pearls are considered effeminate -- maybe because they've always been associated with virginity? But again, that's only recently -- pre-1800 portraits often show men and women wearing pearl-encrusted garments. Anyway, I love the Boondocks example, because I think it's exactly the kind of thing we're always noticing in these conversations -- outsider artists playfully walking that line, trying to push as many boundaries at once as possible. I wonder what Aaron McGruder would have to say about interstitialdom. To everyone who's been participating: today is the closing day of the official salon, meaning I'll be moderating until this evening (EST). But you're all welcome to use this space to continue for as long as you like! It's a fabulous discussion and I'm really grateful to everyone who's contributed, especially Tempest and Wendy. More shortly...
LeslieWhat		#64	[-]
Posts: 2 (05/19/08 07:47:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I used the theme of gender in jewelry in my novel Olympic Games. Zeus binds a young woman/dryad to him with a crystal pendant and she is seduced and manipulated by the beauty and power of the crystal until she casts it away. This was the also the first time I created a piece of jewelry in response to something I've written. One thing this auction has done is make me aware that that's something I want to do to mark being finished with a major work. And I'm taken by Elise's suggestion/referral of making something ugly but wearable (although I couldn't get the link to work and would love to see the guidelines). Thanks to all for this discussion. Leslie
jaeleslie		#65	[-]
Posts: 5 (05/19/08 21:02:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I tend to see the interstitial in a lot of artists' work, but like postmodernism, it's all too easy to find precursors and fellow-travelers, and draft them as part of the movement. Some artists work firmly within mainstream-genres or within the formal constraints of long-established arts, and that I suppose would not be interstitial. And then there are plenty of experimental artists who are not what you might call interstitial-identified artists. But I see interstitial as a mighty big tent. The tessaract kind that opens up along the line between one square of the chessboard and the next. Looking back to the announcement for this salon, the inspiration of visual arts by verbal sources is where I have spent a lot of time, as a calligrapher and book artist; and then the other way round, I find visual and tactile, concrete inspirations as a poet. There is not generally a check-box on the art fair applications for what I do, although usually more than one category is a possibility I have to consider. I've been camping in the borderlands between a lot of different media for a long time. And that question about the distinctions between craft and art is certainly a lively one for me! The national calligraphy association has still not managed after some years to get calligraphic painting anywhere near the mainstream of fine-arts gallery shows (unless it's eastern, kanji styles, and then, oh ho! suddenly it's Art) (so the shows there are are generally organized by calligraphy societies). Then there are the Outsiders who don't consider galleries or sales to be where it is Happening. And I might argue that traditional crafts (pottery, and most sewing, threadcraft and "women's work") are interstitial arts as soon as they step through the door into the Capital A as in Art Gallery with the painting and sculpture. Sorry this is over so soon, but I hope to hear more soon about the "virtual art show up on the IAF site" for this summer.
WEllertson		#66	[-]
Posts: 19 (05/20/08 06:41:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I, too, am sad this is winding down. I plan to continue to keep checking back in to see if more entries are added....Trust me, we'll be sure to let everyone know about the virtual art show's progress....and start up lots more discussion when it's up. We've certainly identified LOTS of topics to pursue here and elsewhere and hopefully this discussion has already spilled out to other venues..By the way, jaeleslie..I love that Woodrow Wilson quote on your live journal...I'm a big collector of quotes. One of my favorites is by Howard Thurman: " Ask not what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive..then go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive." Ah the challenge of life and work...how to tap into our passion to enable us to have the energy to meet world and personal needs in whatever way we can......tiny or huge. ...onward in creativity!....Wendy
krismcd59		#67	[-]
Posts: 42 (05/20/08 08:21:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Wendy, thanks for offering a wonderful wrap-up quote -- but of course, the conversation is far from over. Everyone please feel free to continue on, but I'll be signing off as moderator now to begin planning the next Salon, which will be a conversation with academics who work in more than one world -- interdisciplinarians, teacher/artists, scholar/performers, etc. We're planning this one for July. And there will certainly be a Salon when Wendy organizes the first Online Interstitial Art Show! Watch the IAF webpage blog as well -- I'll post a roundup of links to the artists who've participated in this discussion as well as the artists they've mentioned -- an entry you'll want to bookmark. It's been a tremendous pleasure for me to listen as these wonderful artists/crafters/thinkers have talked about their process and their inspiration. I think one big idea I'm taking away from this conversation is the power of a passion for exploring the connections between story and the sensory world -- it can take you anywhere and everywhere, and seems to be the surest source of an open and generous imagination! I'm so grateful for the chance to hear about the exciting work you're all doing. Thank you again, and please come back soon!
Elise Matthesen		#68	[-]
Posts: 14 (05/20/08 08:40:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks, Kris! We'll definitely keep going here. It's too much fun to stop.
ellenkushner		#69	[-]
Posts: 113 (05/20/08 18:15:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Kris, thanks for posting not only the wrap-up but generous links to all the participants' sites and a listing of Artists Mentioned by everyone, over at the IAF Blog/Homepage! It's a great place to send people for a quick review, or a gateway back into this discussion. (And I've just figured out how to post here! Sad, isn't it? But I've been lurking so happily....) Last Edited By: ellenkushner 05/20/08 18:19:56. Edited 1 times.
Elise Matthesen		#70	[-]
Posts: 15 (06/02/08 20:40:19) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	OK, so what have people been working on since the auction? And what have you been thinking about, as relates to this conversation (or otherwise)? Me, I have mostly been recuperating, with more to come, but tomorrow I get to be up at the workbench again. Yay! Head full of thoughts from WisCon and from here, and all that metal and glass and stone to be in dialogue with....

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